Re: Buddha did not teach12 dependent arising links
Here in SN 35.113 is the most relevant and practical moment to moment portion of 12ps:
http://lucid24.org/sn/sn35/sn35-v11/index.html#s113
The fire sutta, guarding the sense doors, most of the major formulas all use that PS sequence.
PS (paticca samuppada) occurs all over the EBT, that's indisputable. The only question is how many links were there originally.
I suspect SN 35.113 was the original one, with 9 links, repeated for all 6 salayatana.
The ubiquitous 12ps, I suspect, was just a memory device to combine the 9 original, with two other types of dependent origination:
1) the mutual dependence between vinnana and nama rupa
2) the avijja underlying kamma/sankhara, tanha and dukkha.
Why do I think SN 35.113 with just 9 links was the original?
1. That ps pattern appears more frequently than the 12 (counting all the occurrences of the 12 which include the 9)
2. Read SN 35.113 carefully. The Buddha is witnessed composing oral teaching instructions of those 9ps, meant to be memorized, recited, and learned by disciples.
3. In the Theravada vinaya, the traditional first 3 suttas taught, the 9 links appear in fire sutta, but 12ps is not mentioned. In one of the Agama vinayas, the 4th sutta supposedly was one that included the 12ps. Now if the Buddha really taught 12ps that soon, SN 35.113 wouldn't make sense, and you would think all the EBT schools would agree on this.
http://lucid24.org/sn/sn35/sn35-v11/index.html#s113
The fire sutta, guarding the sense doors, most of the major formulas all use that PS sequence.
PS (paticca samuppada) occurs all over the EBT, that's indisputable. The only question is how many links were there originally.
I suspect SN 35.113 was the original one, with 9 links, repeated for all 6 salayatana.
The ubiquitous 12ps, I suspect, was just a memory device to combine the 9 original, with two other types of dependent origination:
1) the mutual dependence between vinnana and nama rupa
2) the avijja underlying kamma/sankhara, tanha and dukkha.
Why do I think SN 35.113 with just 9 links was the original?
1. That ps pattern appears more frequently than the 12 (counting all the occurrences of the 12 which include the 9)
2. Read SN 35.113 carefully. The Buddha is witnessed composing oral teaching instructions of those 9ps, meant to be memorized, recited, and learned by disciples.
3. In the Theravada vinaya, the traditional first 3 suttas taught, the 9 links appear in fire sutta, but 12ps is not mentioned. In one of the Agama vinayas, the 4th sutta supposedly was one that included the 12ps. Now if the Buddha really taught 12ps that soon, SN 35.113 wouldn't make sense, and you would think all the EBT schools would agree on this.
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