body mind dichotomy, kaya/citta, kaya/mano, simile of Buddha's ruler

Re: Vism. doing 31 body parts using vitakka simultaneous with first jhana

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Post by frank k » Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:56 am

mikenz66 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:13 am

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Since many words have multiple layers of meaning (kaya - body - being an obvious example which has multiple meanings in both Pali and English), this is not necessarily a contradiction.


Mike

Dhamma, sankhara, kaya: Yes, they can have multiple layers and meaning
But there are contexts where it's completely clear that kaya (or rupa)/citta kaya/mano are being used as a dichotomy to distinguish between physical body and mind in a meditation context.

Even Abhidhamma uses the same kaya/citta kaya/mano dichotomy when they want to make that distinction (between body and mind)!
So it's totally insane when Abhidhamma tries to override a sutta body/mind dichotomy passage with one of their own, when they're using the same means to do so. It's basically saying, don't trust the Buddha's ruler, it's the wrong length. You have to trust our ruler, which is the correct length even though it came 1000 years later and it contradicts the Buddha claiming his ruler is the correct length.