B. Sujato mumbling incoherently: MN 44 vitakka & vicara

MN 44 (b.sujato trans.)

“Breathing is physical. It’s tied up with the body, that’s why breathing is a physical process.“Assāsapassāsā kho, āvuso visākha, kāyikā ete dhammā kāyappaṭibaddhā, tasmāassāsapassāsā kāyasaṅkhāro. 

First you place the mind and keep it connected, then you break into speech. That’s why placing the mind and keeping it connected are verbal processes. Pubbe kho, āvuso visākha, vitakketvāvicāretvā pacchā vācaṃ bhindati, tasmā vitakka-vicārā vacī-saṅkhāro. 

Perception and feeling are mental. They’re tied up with the mind, that’s why perception and feeling are mental processes.” Saññā ca vedanā ca cetasikā ete dhammā cittappaṭibaddhā,tasmā saññā ca vedanā ca cittasaṅkhāro”ti.

This is what vocalized speech sounds like

from someone doing B. Sujato's vitakka & vicara  

But that is clearly not the kind of speech-fabrication (vitakka & vicara)  used in other suttas in relevant contexts:

For example, in this sutta that discusses ways to ward off drowsiness while doing samadhi, V&V number 2, obviously is referring to coherent mental recitation of Dharma teachings, and not the incoherent mumbling of B. Sujato:

AN 7.61 Pacalāyana

• (1. don’t attend to the perception that made you drowsy)
• (2. Recall dhamma using V&V, thinking and evaluation, and upekkha)
• (3. Recite that dhamma out loud, vocally)

(1. don’t attend to the perception that made you drowsy)

“tasmātiha, moggallāna,	“Well then, Moggallana,
yathā-saññissa te viharato	whatever-perception you dwelt-in (when)
taṃ middhaṃ okkamati,	that drowsiness descends (on you),
taṃ saññaṃ mā manasā-kāsi,	that perception {you should} not give-attention (to),
taṃ saññaṃ mā bahulama-kāsi.	that perception {you should} not abundantly-pursue,
ṭhānaṃ kho panetaṃ, moggallāna, vijjati yaṃ te evaṃ viharato	It’s possible that by doing this
taṃ middhaṃ pahīyetha.	that drowsiness (is) removed. "

(2. Recall dhamma using V&V, thinking and evaluation, and upekkha)

♦ “no ce te evaṃ viharato	“But if by doing this
taṃ middhaṃ pahīyetha,	That drowsiness (is) {not} removed,
tato tvaṃ, moggallāna,	Then ****, *********,
yathā-sutaṃ yathā-pariyattaṃ dhammaṃ	{with the Dhamma} as-heard (and) as-memorized *******,
cetasā anu-vitakkeyyāsi anu-vicāreyyāsi,	mentally re-think (and) re-examine (that),
manasā an-upekkheyyāsi.	(in your) mind consider-it-carefully.
ṭhānaṃ kho panetaṃ vijjati yaṃ te evaṃ viharato	"It’s possible that by doing this
taṃ middhaṃ pahīyetha.	that drowsiness (is) removed. "

(3. Recite that dhamma out loud, vocally)

♦ “no ce te evaṃ viharato	“But if by doing this
taṃ middhaṃ pahīyetha,	That drowsiness (is) {not} removed,
tato tvaṃ, moggallāna,	Then ****, *********,
yathā-sutaṃ yathā-pariyattaṃ dhammaṃ	{with the Dhamma} as-heard (and) as-memorized *******,
vitthārena sajjhāyaṃ kareyyāsi.	(in) detail recite-it-aloud; you-should-do-that.
ṭhānaṃ kho panetaṃ vijjati yaṃ te evaṃ viharato	"It’s possible that by doing this
taṃ middhaṃ pahīyetha.	that drowsiness (is) removed. "

(4. Pull your earlobes and rub your limbs)

♦ “no ce te evaṃ viharato	“But if by doing this
taṃ middhaṃ pahīyetha,	That drowsiness (is) {not} removed,
tato tvaṃ, moggallāna,	Then ****, *********,
ubho kaṇṇa-sotāni āviñcheyyāsi,	pull both your earlobes and
pāṇinā gattāni anumajjeyyāsi.	rub your limbs with your hands.
ṭhānaṃ kho panetaṃ vijjati yaṃ te evaṃ viharato	"It’s possible that by doing this
taṃ middhaṃ pahīyetha.	that drowsiness (is) removed. "

And again, in AN 5.26

it just doesn't work if V&V is the incoherent B. Sujato style of mumbling vocalization

AN 5.26 (abridged version with repetitions cut and summarized)

AN 5.26 vimutt-āyatana-suttaṃ	AN 5.26 liberation-base-discourse
“pañc-imāni, bhikkhave,	"[there are] five-(of)-these, ***********,
vimutt-āyatanāni	liberation-bases,
yattha bhikkhuno appamattassa	by means of which, if a monk {dwells} assiduous,
ātāpino pahitattassa viharato	ardent, resolute, ********,
a-vimuttaṃ vā cittaṃ vimuccati,	(his) un-liberated ** mind (is) liberated,
a-parik-khīṇā vā āsavā parik-khayaṃ gacchanti,	un-destroyed ** asinine-inclinations, utterly-destroyed (they) become.
An-anuppattaṃ vā an-uttaraṃ yogak-khemaṃ	(the) un-reached un-surpassed security-from-the-yoke
Anu-pāpuṇāti.	(he) reaches.”
♦ “katamāni pañca?	What five?

(1) First jhāna possible while hearing live dhamma talk

idha, bhikkhave, bhikkhuno	Here, monks, (for a) monk,
satthā dhammaṃ deseti	(a) teacher (of) dhamma teaches (him),
aññataro vā garuṭṭhāniyo sabrahmacārī.	{or a} certain fellow monk [teaches him],
yathā yathā, bhikkhave, tassa bhikkhuno	in whatever way , *********, (for the) monk (that)
satthā dhammaṃ deseti	(a) teacher (of) dhamma teaches (him),
aññataro vā garuṭṭhāniyo sabrahmacārī.	{or a} certain fellow monk [teaches him],

(refrain: 7sb → jhāna → arahantship)

tathā tathā so tasmiṃ	like-that, accordingly, he ******
dhamme attha-paṭisaṃvedī ca hoti	{feels [inspiration]} in Dhamma meaning and
dhamma-paṭisaṃvedī ca.	{feels [inspiration]} in Dhamma,
tassa attha-paṭisaṃvedino dhamma-paṭisaṃvedino	as he {feels [inspiration] in} Dhamma-meaning (and) Dhamma,
pāmojjaṃ jāyati.	joy arises.
pamuditassa pīti jāyati.	(When he is) joyful, rapture arises.
pīti-manassa kāyo passambhati.	(with) rapturous-mind, (the) body (becomes) tranquil.
passaddha-kāyo sukhaṃ vedeti.	(with) tranquil-body, pleasure (he) feels.
sukhino cittaṃ samādhiyati.	(For one feeling) pleasure, (the) mind (becomes) concentrated.
idaṃ, bhikkhave, paṭhamaṃ vimutt-āyatanaṃ	This, monks, (is the) first liberation-basis,
yattha bhikkhuno appamattassa	by means of which, if a monk {dwells} assiduous,
ātāpino pahitattassa viharato	ardent, resolute, ********,
a-vimuttaṃ vā cittaṃ vimuccati,	(his) un-liberated ** mind (is) liberated,
a-parik-khīṇā vā āsavā parik-khayaṃ gacchanti,	un-destroyed ** asinine-inclinations, utterly-destroyed (they) become.
An-anuppattaṃ vā an-uttaraṃ yogak-khemaṃ	(the) un-reached un-surpassed security-from-the-yoke
Anu-pāpuṇāti.	(he) reaches.”

(2) Giving a dhamma talk leads to himself getting jhāna

♦ “puna ca-paraṃ, bhikkhave, bhikkhuno	“Again, and-furthermore,
(...instead of using the previous methods described…)	(...instead of using the previous methods described…)
yathā yathā, bhikkhave, bhikkhu	in whatever way, **********, the monk
yathā-sutaṃ yathā-pariyattaṃ dhammaṃ	Has-heard (and) has-learned (the) dhamma
vitthārena paresaṃ deseti	(and in) detail (to) others (he) teaches,

(refrain: 7sb → jhāna → arahantship)

tathā tathā so tasmiṃ	like-that, accordingly, he ******
(… refrain: 7sb → jhāna → arahantship ... )	(… refrain: 7sb → jhāna → arahantship ... )
An-anuppattaṃ vā an-uttaraṃ yogak-khemaṃ	(the) un-reached un-surpassed security-from-the-yoke
Anu-pāpuṇāti.	(he) reaches.”

(3) Reciting memorized dhamma passage leads to jhāna

♦ “puna ca-paraṃ, bhikkhave, bhikkhuno	“Again, and-furthermore,
(...instead of using the previous methods described…)	(...instead of using the previous methods described…)
yathā yathā, bhikkhave, bhikkhu	in whatever way, **********, the monk
yathā-sutaṃ yathā-pariyattaṃ dhammaṃ	Has-heard (and) has-learned (the) dhamma
vitthārena sajjhāyaṃ karoti	(and in) detail (he) recites (that) ******.

(refrain: 7sb → jhāna → arahantship)

tathā tathā so tasmiṃ	like-that, accordingly, he ******
(… refrain: 7sb → jhāna → arahantship ... )	(… refrain: 7sb → jhāna → arahantship ... )
An-anuppattaṃ vā an-uttaraṃ yogak-khemaṃ	(the) un-reached un-surpassed security-from-the-yoke
Anu-pāpuṇāti.	(he) reaches.”

(4) first jhāna possible while thinking and pondering memorized dhamma

♦ “puna ca-paraṃ, bhikkhave, bhikkhuno	“Again, and-furthermore,
(...instead of using the previous methods described…)	(...instead of using the previous methods described…)
yathā yathā, bhikkhave, bhikkhu	in whatever way, **********, the monk
yathā-sutaṃ yathā-pariyattaṃ dhammaṃ	Has-heard (and) has-learned (the) dhamma
cetasā anu-vitakketi anu-vicāreti	(and) mentally (he) ponders (and) examines
Manas-ān-upekkhati	(and his mind) carefully-inspects (that)

(refrain: 7sb → jhāna → arahantship)

tathā tathā so tasmiṃ	like-that, accordingly, he ******
(… refrain: 7sb → jhāna → arahantship ... )	(… refrain: 7sb → jhāna → arahantship ... )
An-anuppattaṃ vā an-uttaraṃ yogak-khemaṃ	(the) un-reached un-surpassed security-from-the-yoke
Anu-pāpuṇāti.	(he) reaches.”

(5) No V&V, undirected samādhi into 2nd jhāna or higher

♦ “puna ca-paraṃ, bhikkhave, bhikkhuno	“Again, and-furthermore,
(...instead of using the previous methods described…)	(...instead of using the previous methods described…)
api ca khvassa	but he has
aññataraṃ samādhi-nimittaṃ sug-gahitaṃ hoti	(a) certain concentration-sign well-grapsped ****,
su-manasi-kataṃ s-ūpadhāritaṃ sup-paṭividdhaṃ paññāya	well-attended-to, well-sustained, well-penetrated (with) wisdom

(refrain: 7sb → jhāna → arahantship)

tathā tathā so tasmiṃ	like-that, accordingly, he ******
(… refrain: 7sb → jhāna → arahantship ... )	(… refrain: 7sb → jhāna → arahantship ... )
An-anuppattaṃ vā an-uttaraṃ yogak-khemaṃ	(the) un-reached un-surpassed security-from-the-yoke
Anu-pāpuṇāti.	(he) reaches.”

(conclusion same as intro)