Sujato's Jhāna related suttas in SN translation notes as of 2026-march 22 SN 21.1 why is the bar for noble silence second jhāna and not first jhāna? Here, Sujato only notes that vitakka and vicāra are absent from 2nd jhāna. He makes no mention of why first jhāna is not noble silence. Is "placing the mind and keeping it connected" (to a white kasina) noisy? Can the mind reading devas and monastics who have mind reading psychic power hear the squeaky noises from these redefined "jhāna" meditators grabbing at a kasina? Does that make a squeaky noise? What makes Sujato's first "jhāna" be considered "noisy" and not "noble silence"? If first jhāna is indeed as Sujato, Brahm, Vism., redefine the term, which is a frozen disembodied stupor where the body sense faculties are shut off, verbal thought is not possible, the mind is glued to a visual kasina, Then why is first jhāna not "noble silence"? Maybe it's because Sujato...
vitakka and vicāra (V&V) are fundamental building blocks in the oral tradition, not just in Buddhism, but the other major religions in India. The Dharma you memorize is in the form of V&V, linguistic, verbal, communicable language. The Dharma you recite everyday to strengthen your memory, those are vitakka, directed verbal thoughts. Vicāra, evaluation of the vitakka thought, is exploring, evaluating, pondering the vitakka thought in more depth. You recite a line of memorized Dharma, you pause to evaluate it more deeply before moving on. That's vicāra. If you recite quickly, and you know just enough that you're reciting accurately with no errors, and you have a superficial understanding of what you just recited very quickly, that's vitakka. This is a fundamental, basic law of oral tradition. You can't arbitrarily redefine V&V (vitakka and vicāra) to take on new meanings in specialized contexts, because then the oral tradition doesn't work. V&V do...