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3 way samādhi, comparing the difference between MN 128 and its agama parallel MA 72

 

Full sutta texts in English and Pali/chinese side by side:

● MN 128 - 🔗🔊 23m, Upak-kilesa: minor defilements:

MA 72 T 26.72 長壽王本起: 72. The Discourse on the History of King Long Life Span 3
T i 532c09 MN 128, SF 13, SHT Sutta 75


There are a few more suttas in MA that may shed more light on the 3 way samadhi, which I'll do in the next few days, but so far just comparing MN 128 and MA 72, the Agama MA 72 does not have the 3 additional factors that MN 128 mentions: pīti, sāta, and upekkha.

MN 128:

Tassa mayhaṃ, anuruddhā, etadahosi: ‘ye kho me cittassa upakkilesā te me pahīnā. Handa dānāhaṃ tividhena samādhiṃ bhāvemī’ti. So kho ahaṃ, anuruddhā, savitakkampi savicāraṃ samādhiṃ bhāvesiṃ, avitakkampi vicāramattaṃ samādhiṃ bhāvesiṃ, avitakkampi avicāraṃ samādhiṃ bhāvesiṃ, sappītikampi samādhiṃ bhāvesiṃ, nippītikampi samādhiṃ bhāvesiṃ, sātasahagatampi samādhiṃ bhāvesiṃ, upekkhāsahagatampi samādhiṃ bhāvesiṃ.
I thought: ‘I’ve given up my mental corruptions. Now let me develop undistractible-lucidity in three ways.’ I developed undistractible-lucidity while directing-thought and evaluation; without directing-thought, but just evaluation; without directing-thought or evaluation; with rapture; without rapture; with satisfaction; with equanimous-observation.

(quoting from AN 8.63, same 3 way samadhi written out more neatly)

(samādhi in 3 ways fulfills (7sb → 1-6 🐘💭… 🌄) and 4j jhānas)
imaṃ samādhiṃ
this undistractible-lucidty
(1) sa-vi-takkampi sa-vicāraṃ bhāveyyāsi,
(1) with-directed-thought & with-evaluation (you should) develop,
(2) a-vi-takkampi vicāra-mattaṃ bhāveyyāsi,
(2) Without-directed-thought & a-modicum-of-evaluation (you should) develop,
(3) a-vi-takkampi a-vicāraṃ bhāveyyāsi,
(3) Without-directed-thought & wiithout-evaluation (you should) develop,
Sap-pīti-kampi bhāveyyāsi,
(7sb → 4. 😁) With-rapture (you should) develop,
nip-pīti-kampi bhāveyyāsi,
Without-rapture (you should) develop,
sāta-sahagatampi bhāveyyāsi,
Endowed-with-satisfaction (you should) develop,
upekkhā-sahagatampi bhāveyyāsi.
(7sb → 7. 🛆👁 ) Endowed-with-equanimous-observation (you should) develop,

MA 72:

阿那律陀!我便修學三定,
Then, Anuruddha, I practiced these three [levels] of [samādhi] undistractible-lucidity:
修學有覺有觀 定,
(1. with V&V💭) I practiced [samādhi] undistractible-lucidity with [vitakka] directed-thought and [vicāra] evaluation;
修學無覺少觀定,
(2. without vitakka, some vicara) I practiced [samādhi] undistractible-lucidity without [vitakka] directed-thought and only [vicāra] evaluation;
修學無覺無觀定;
(3. no V&V) and I practiced [samādhi] undistractible-lucidity without [vitakka] directed-thought and [vicāra] evaluation.


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