Skip to main content

MN 125 thai pali version on satipatthana first jhana section differs from burmese, sri lankan, and Chinese Agama MA 198

(This article is part of a series: šŸ”—MN 125 restoration project )


Tamenaį¹ƒ tathāgato uttariį¹ƒ vineti:
Then the Realized One guides them further:
‘ehi tvaį¹ƒ, bhikkhu, kāye kāyānupassÄ« viharāhi, mā ca kāmÅ«pasaį¹ƒhitaį¹ƒ vitakkaį¹ƒ vitakkesi.
‘Come, monk, meditate observing an aspect of the body, but don’t think thoughts connected with sensual pleasures.
Vedanāsu …
Meditate observing an aspect of feelings …
citte …
mind …
dhammesu dhammānupassÄ« viharāhi, mā ca kāmÅ«pasaį¹ƒhitaį¹ƒ vitakkaį¹ƒ vitakkesÄ«’ti.
principles, but don’t think thoughts connected with sensual pleasures.’


(describing the same first jhana’s kusala dhamma vitakka of MN 19, AN 8.30, and their agama parallels)

「č‹„č–å¼Ÿå­ č§€å…§čŗ«å¦‚čŗ«,ä¹ƒč‡³č§€č¦ŗ、åæƒ、ę³•å¦‚ę³•。
24. "When the noble disciple contemplates the body as body internally ... (up to) ... contemplates feelings, mental states and dharmas as dharmas,
彼如來復 ꛓčŖæå¾”ęƔäø˜:
then the Tathāgata further tames the monk:
『ę±ē•¶č§€å…§čŗ«å¦‚čŗ«,莫åæµę¬²ē›ø ꇉåæµ,ä¹ƒč‡³č§€č¦ŗ、åæƒ、ę³•å¦‚ę³•,莫åæµéžę³•ē›øꇉ åæµ。』
'You should contemplate the body as body internally, do not think a thought related to sensual pleasures ... (up to) ... contemplate feelings, mental states and dharmas as dharmas, do not think a thought related to what is not rightful!'25
č‹„č–å¼Ÿå­č§€å…§čŗ«å¦‚čŗ«,äøåæµę¬²ē›øꇉåæµ, ä¹ƒč‡³č§€č¦ŗ、åæƒ、ę³•å¦‚ę³•,äøåæµéžę³•ē›øꇉåæµč€…, 如ę˜Æč–å¼Ÿå­éšØå¦‚ä¾†ę•™。
[13] When the noble disciple contemplates the body as body internally and does not think a thought related to sensual pleasures ... (up to) ... contemplates feelings, mental states and dharmas as dharmas and does not think a thought related to what is not rightful, then like this the noble disciple follows the instructions of the Tathāgata.

é˜æå„‡čˆé‚£!ēŒ¶å¦‚野 č±”å¾žčŖæč±”åø«,å‰‡ä»„ęŸ”č»ŸåÆꄛč؀向,臄起、去 來、取ęØ、屈ä¼ø者,如ę˜Æ野豔éšØčŖæč±”åø«ę•™。
"Aciravata, just as the forest elephant who, on being addressed by the elephant tamer with soft and agreeable words, lay down and got up, went and came back, took up and put down, bent and stretched, like this the forest elephant followed the instructions of the elephant tamer.26
如 ę˜Æ,é˜æå„‡čˆé‚£!č‹„č–å¼Ÿå­č§€å…§čŗ«å¦‚čŗ«,äøåæµ ę¬²ē›øꇉåæµ,ä¹ƒč‡³č§€č¦ŗ、åæƒ、ę³•å¦‚ę³•,äøåæµéžę³• ē›øꇉåæµ,如ę˜Æč–å¼Ÿå­éšØå¦‚ä¾†ę•™。
Like this, Aciravata, when the noble disciple contemplates the body as body internally and does not think a thought related to sensual pleasures ... (up to) ... contemplates feelings, mental states and dharmas as dharmas and does not think a thought related to what is not rightful, then like this the noble disciple follows the instructions of the Tathāgata.    


Here's B. Thanissaro's translation from the MN 125 Thai canon, 

and his footnote explanation on why he stuck with the Thai anomaly instead of going with the other pali sources. 


“Then the Tathāgata trains him further: ‘Come, monk, remain focused on the body in & of itself, but do not think any thoughts connected with the body.4 Remain focused on feelings in & of themselves, but do not think any thoughts connected with feelings. Remain focused on the mind in & of itself, but do not think any thoughts connected with mind. Remain focused on mental qualities in & of themselves, but do not think any thoughts connected with mental qualities.’ 


With the stilling of directed thoughts & evaluations, he enters & remains in the second jhāna: rapture & pleasure born of concentration, unification of awareness free from directed thought & evaluation—internal assurance.

“With the fading of rapture he remains equanimous, mindful, & alert, and senses pleasure with the body. He enters & remains in the third jhāna, of which the noble ones declare, ‘Equanimous & mindful, he has a pleasant abiding.’ 


https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN125.html#mn125note04

4. Reading kāyÅ«pasaį¹hitaį¹… dhammÅ«pasaį¹hitaį¹ with the Thai and PTS editions. The Sri Lankan and Burmese editions read kāmÅ«pasaį¹hitam, “connected to sensuality,” in both places. There are two reasons for following the Thai and PTS editions here. (1) As SN 47:6 and SN 47:7 point out, sensual thoughts connected with the five strings of sensuality are considered “out of range” when one is practicing the establishings of mindfulness. For this reason, thoughts connected with sensuality should have already been abandoned at that stage, and not at the stage of entering the second jhāna. (2) In the standard descriptions of the four jhānas, thoughts directed at sensuality are abandoned prior to entering the first jhāna; all directed thought is abandoned on entering the second. The simple instruction to not think thoughts connected with sensuality would not be enough to end all directed thoughts—it leaves open the possibility of thinking thoughts connected to the object of mindfulness—and so it would not serve to bring the mind all the way to the second jhāna. However, once thoughts of sensuality have been abandoned with the practice of the four establishings of mindfulness, the only remaining directed thoughts in the meditator’s mind would be those directed at the objects of mindfulness. For that reason, the instruction at this point not to think thoughts connected with those objects would be enough to bring the mind to the second jhāna.


Frankk response

Ven. Thanissaro's explanation of the Thai canon discrepancy makes sense, and does give a cleaner explanation in some respects regarding  how 4sp satipatthana is done in first jhana (with thought related to Dhamma) and how that transitions to second jhana.

Namely, second jhana 4sp satipatthana where vitakka verbal thoughts have dropped out and  sublimated into  subverbal mental activity in the form of sati, sampajano, and attention to perceptions and feelings (citta sankhara) experienced. 

But I believe the other pali versions, and the agama parallel MA 198 make better sense in terms of big picture. It's not that the Buddha was trying to imply that this stage of satipatthana (compared to the previous stage of 4sp) was liable to be easily interrupted with vitakka thoughts of sensuality (kāma), it's that he wanted to draw a direct connection between this stage of satipatthana and first jhana. Namely, they  are the exact same practice under two different labels!  First jhana's first two words, are "vivicceva kamehi", seclusion from sensual pleasure, pointing to the exact type of thought this 4sp is supposed to have removed and prevent from re-arising. 


The other point Ven. Thanissaro was making, about first jhana satipatthana having thoughts of sensuality being already "out of range", doesn't cause a real problem or contradiction within the suttas. Ambiguous minor contradictions happen frequently in the suttas.  AN 9.41 and SN 40.1  for example, show first jhana being interrupted by thoughts and perceptions of kama/sensuality. A learner's first jhana, or impure first jhana, is still called a jhana by the Buddha. 


Factoring in the architecture considerations of how the simile passage was structured for oral transmission to be effective, memory triggers and associations to work easily, the Buddha would have wanted obvious links and clues to make the sections of correspondence clear between which stage of elephant gradual training corresponded with which monk training. Sensuality/kāma makes the first jhana correspondence very obvious. 

  


Comments

Popular posts from this blog

Advice to younger meditators on jhāna, sex, porn, masturbation

Someone asked: Is porn considered harmful sexual.activity? I don't have a sex life because I don't have a partner and I don't wish to engage in casual sex so I use porn to quench the biological urge to orgasm. I can't see that's it's harmful because nobody is being forced into it. The actors are all paid well and claim to enjoy it etc. The only harm I can see is that it's so accessible these days on smart devices and so children may access it but I believe that this is the parents responsibility to not allow unsupervised use of devices etc. Views? Frankk response: In another thread, you asked about pleasant sensations and jhāna.  I'm guessing you're young, so here's some important advice you won't get from suttas   if you're serious about jhāna.  (since monastics are already celibate by rule)   If you want to attain stable and higher jhānas,   celibacy and noble silence to the best of your ability are the feedstock and prerequiste to tha

SN 48.40 Ven. Thanissaro comments on Ven. Sunyo's analysis

This was Ven. Sunyo's analysis of SN 48.40: https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2024/05/exciting-news-honest-ebt-scholars-like.html And here is Ven. Thanissaro's response to that analysis: I think there’s a better way to tackle the issue of SN 48:40 than by appealing to the oldest layers of commentarial literature. That way is to point out that SN 48:40, as we have it, doesn’t pass the test in DN 16 for determining what’s genuine Dhamma and what’s not. There the standard is, not the authority of the person who’s claiming to report the Buddha’s teachings, but whether the teachings he’s reporting are actually in accordance with the principles of the Dhamma that you know. So the simple fact that those who have passed the Buddha’s teachings down to us say that a particular passage is what the Buddha actually taught is not sufficient grounds for accepting it. In the case of the jhānas—the point at issue here— we have to take as our guide the standard formula for the jhānas, a

1min. video: Dalai Lama kissing boy and asking him to suck his tongue

To give more context, this is a public event,  * everyone knows cameras are rolling  *  it's a room full of children * the boy's mom is standing off camera a few feet away watching all of this * the boy initiated contact, he had already had a hug with Dalai Lama earlier and then asked Dalai Lama for another hug which triggered this segment  17 min. video showing what happened before that 1 min. clip and after, with some explanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT0qey5Ts78 16min talk from Ajahn Acalo with his thoughts on Dalai Lama kissing boy, relevance to Bhikkhu monastic code, sexual predators in religion in general, and how celibate monastics deal with sexual energy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2m0TcUib0 The child's comments about the incident in a filmed interview later https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/world-news/2023/04/18/643eba5d46163ffc078b457c.html The child: It's a great experience It was amazing to meet His Holiness and I think it's a great ex