MN 137 connection between neutral feeling and upekkha

 

Re: What is the difference between neutral feelings vs Samadhi or Jhana?

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Post by frank k » Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:22 am

SarathW wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:45 pmWhat is the difference between neutral feelings vs Samadhi, Jhana, Upekkha and Bojjanga?

see MN 137
https://lucid24.org/mn/mn137/index.html#

vedana originates in the body.
a-dukkham-a-sukham (neutral) vedana is associated with upekkha.
See how the 3 types of upekkha differ in MN 137 from ordinary person to 4 jhanas to formless attainment, and you'll understand how neutral sensations differ as well.

4 jhanas are 4 quality levels of samadhi, and samadhi is the quality of undistractibility of our attention in our sati.
upekkha as 7th awakening factor, 3rd and 4th jhana factor, are the same.

samadhi is not "stillness". Stillness, passaddhi, samatha, are nutriments of jhāna and samādhi.
upacara "access" concentration is not a term the Buddha used, it's part of a redefined LBT (late buddhist text) redefinition of jhāna which is a completely different meditation system from the Buddha's.

SN 54.13 Upekkha and fourth satipatthana seeing with discernment

(4sp4: Dharma)

Yasmiṃ samaye, ānanda, bhikkhu aniccānupassī … pe …	There’s a time when a monk practices like this: ‘I’ll breathe in observing impermanence …
virāgānupassī …	fading away …
nirodhānupassī …	cessation …
‘paṭinissaggānupassī assasissāmī’ti sikkhati, ‘paṭinissaggānupassī passasissāmī’ti sikkhati—	letting go.’ They practice like this: ‘I’ll breathe out observing letting go.’
dhammesu dhammānupassī, ānanda, bhikkhu tasmiṃ samaye viharati ātāpī sampajāno satimā, vineyya loke abhijjhādomanassaṃ.	At such a time a monk is living by seeing Dharma as Dharma—keen, aware, and rememberful, rid of desire and aversion for the world.
So yaṃ taṃ hoti abhijjhādomanassānaṃ pahānaṃ taṃ paññāya disvā sādhukaṃ ajjhupekkhitā hoti.	Having seen with wisdom the giving up of desire and aversion, they watch closely over with equanimity.
Tasmātihānanda, dhammesu dhammānupassī bhikkhu tasmiṃ samaye viharati ātāpī sampajāno satimā, vineyya loke abhijjhādomanassaṃ. (4)	Therefore, at such a time a monk is meditating by observing an aspect of principles—keen, aware, and rememberful, rid of desire and aversion for the world.
Evaṃ bhāvito kho, ānanda, ānāpānassatisamādhi evaṃ bahulīkato cattāro satipaṭṭhāne paripūreti.	That’s how undistractible-lucidity due to rememberfulness of breathing is developed and cultivated so as to fulfill the four kinds of rememberfulness meditation.