Friday, August 26, 2022

MN 14 ariya-sāvaka can't be 'noble disciple' here

 ariya-sāvaka, is a disciple of the noble ones, not a 'noble disciple' (one who is at least a stream enterer already). Otherwise, you have a case here in MN 14 where this stream enterer had become a stream enterer without having even attained first jhāna yet. 

(sujato trans.)

‘Appassādā kāmā bahudukkhā bahupāyāsā,
4.1 Sensual pleasures give little gratification and much suffering and distress,
ādīnavo ettha bhiyyo’ti—
and they are all the more full of drawbacks.
iti cepi, mahānāma, ariyasāvakassa yathābhūtaṃ sammappaññāya sudiṭṭhaṃ hoti,
4.2 Even though a noble disciple has clearly seen this with right wisdom,
so ca aññatreva kāmehi aññatra akusalehi dhammehi pītisukhaṃ nādhigacchati,
so long as they don’t achieve the rapture and bliss that are apart from sensual stimuli and unskillful qualities,
aññaṃ vā tato santataraṃ;
or something even more peaceful than that,
atha kho so neva tāva anāvaṭṭī kāmesu hoti.
4.3 they might still return to sensual pleasures.
Yato ca kho, mahānāma, ariyasāvakassa ‘appassādā kāmā bahudukkhā bahupāyāsā,
4.4 …
ādīnavo ettha bhiyyo’ti—evametaṃ yathābhūtaṃ sammappaññāya sudiṭṭhaṃ hoti,
so ca aññatreva kāmehi aññatra akusalehi dhammehi
pītisukhaṃ adhigacchati aññaṃ
But when they do achieve that rapture and bliss,
vā tato santataraṃ;
or something more peaceful than that,
atha kho so anāvaṭṭī kāmesu hoti.
4.5 they will not return to sensual pleasures.


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