EBT jhāna vs. VRJ (Vism. redefinition of jhāna): How does subtle ethereal pleasure body imply 5 senses being shut off?

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Post by frank k » Sun May 08, 2022 1:14 am

Dear Ven. T., looking forward to it.
One more thing I thought of after our discussion to chew on before we meet again.
The Tika subcommentary on the 4 jhāna similes physical nature with a subtle ethereal pleasure body, obviously to try to explain how jhāna could be redefined in terms of a 'mind only kāya' in Abhidhamma without contradicting what both commentary and subcommentary are acknowledging as the Buddha's referring to a physical body with the 4 jhānas in suttas.

The talk of a subtle nonphysical pleasure body, often is brought up as if it explains 5 senses being shut down in Vism. redefinition of jhāna.
Why?
Anyone skilled in qigong or first 3 jhānas as taught in sutta embodied jhāna can experience the same ethereal pleasure body while wide awake, eyes open, standing, and even walking around.
Just as someone can pee in their bed while they're awake, they can pee in their bed while dreaming. It doesn't require 5 senses shut off.

metta,
Frank

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