Friday, March 24, 2023

Myth: the Buddha, following right speech, would never criticize other religions and other religious leaders


AN 5.191 Soṇa: Dogs

191. Soṇasutta
191. Dogs
“Pañcime, bhikkhave, porāṇā brāhmaṇadhammā etarahi sunakhesu sandissanti, no brāhmaṇesu.
“monks, these five traditions of the brahmins are seen these days among dogs, but not among brahmins.
Katame pañca?
What five?
Pubbe sudaṃ, bhikkhave, brāhmaṇā brāhmaṇiṃyeva gacchanti, no abrāhmaṇiṃ.
In the past brahmins had sex only with brahmin women, not with others.
Etarahi, bhikkhave, brāhmaṇā brāhmaṇimpi gacchanti, abrāhmaṇimpi gacchanti.
These days brahmins have sex with both brahmin women and others.
Etarahi, bhikkhave, sunakhā sunakhiṃyeva gacchanti, no asunakhiṃ.
But these days dogs have sex only with female dogs, not with other species.
Ayaṃ, bhikkhave, paṭhamo porāṇo brāhmaṇadhammo etarahi sunakhesu sandissati, no brāhmaṇesu.
This is the first tradition of the brahmins seen these days among dogs, but not among brahmins.

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AN 10.93

"Well done, householder. Well done. That is how you should periodically refute those foolish men with the Dhamma." Then he instructed, urged, roused, and encouraged Anathapindika the householder with a talk on Dhamma. When Anathapindika the householder had been instructed, urged, roused and encouraged by the Blessed One with a talk on Dhamma, he got up from his seat and, having bowed down to the Blessed One, left, keeping the Blessed One on his right side. Not long afterward, the Blessed One addressed the monks: "Monks, even a monk who has long penetrated the Dhamma in this Doctrine and Discipline would do well to refute the wanderers of other persuasions with the Dhamma periodically in just the way Anathapindika the householder has done." ~ Ditthi sutta AN 10.93


AN 10.94 

“saccaṃ kira, gahapati, samaṇo gotamo sabbaṃ tapaṃ garahati, sabbaṃ tapassiṃ lūkhājīviṃ ekaṃsena upakkosati upavadatī”ti?
“Is it really true, householder? Does the ascetic Gotama criticize all forms of mortification? Does he categorically condemn and denounce those self-mortifiers who live rough?”
“Na kho, bhante, bhagavā sabbaṃ tapaṃ garahati napi sabbaṃ tapassiṃ lūkhājīviṃ ekaṃsena upakkosati upavadati.
“No, sirs, the ascetic Gotama does not criticize all forms of mortification. Nor does he categorically condemn and denounce those self-mortifiers who live rough.
Gārayhaṃ kho, bhante, bhagavā garahati, pasaṃsitabbaṃ pasaṃsati.
The Buddha criticizes where it is due, and praises where it is due.
Gārayhaṃ kho pana, bhante, bhagavā garahanto pasaṃsitabbaṃ pasaṃsanto vibhajjavādo bhagavā.
In doing so he is one who speaks after analyzing the question,
Na so bhagavā ettha ekaṃsavādo”ti.
without making generalizations on this point.”    


● MN 46 - 🔗🔊 18m, Mahā-dhamma-samādāna: longer (discourse on) {taking up} ☸Dharma-(practices)

     MN 451 (beings want good to come and bad to go)
        MN 451.1 (but the opposite happens. Why?)
        MN 451.2 (ordinary person cultivates wrong)
    MN 454 (four permutation details)
        MN 454.1 (pain now and pain future: wrong action, speech, view)
        MN 454.2 (pleasure now and pain future: wrong action, speech, view)
        MN 454.3 (pain now and pleasure future: abstain from wrong action, speech, view)
        MN 454.4 (pleasure now and pleasure future: abstain from wrong action, speech, view)
    MN 455 (four similes)
    MN 456 (conclusion: way that is pleasant now and future ↔ rain season sky sun dispels dark)
        MN 456.1 (Buddha critical of wrong Dharmas of other religions)


 

● MN 49 - 🔗🔊 20m, Brahma-nimantanika: invitation to brahma

(note this is pretty much a Hindu version of nirvana)
        MN 491 – (Brahma has wrong view that his world is permanent)
        MN 492 – (Buddha uses psychic power to read Brahma’s mind, then visit Brahma realm)
        MN 493 – (Buddha tells Brahma he’s ignorant)



(more to be added, as I run into them)


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