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AN 10.72 abridged translation, 3m pro voice recording
February 10, 2026
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AN 10.72 explained with 16 seconds of video
February 09, 2026
This is what the sutta is describing. Many well known monks, many elder monks, obviously skilled in all 4 jhānas (the sutta uses jhānā plural, so it's not only talking about first jhāna) are bothered by the loud noises of royal carriages, horses, royals yelling, WHILE they are in the 4 jhānas
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AN 10.72 WHILE doing four jhānas one hears sounds, versus the process of TRYING to attain four jhānas
April 02, 2021
AN 10.72 sound is a thorn in the (four) jhanas Notice the difference between the four jhanas (items 5-8) and item (9) nirodha attainment. Samāpatti = attainment, trying to attain that vuṭṭhati = emerging from (that attainment or place) In AN 10.72, it doesn't talk about attaining or emerging the four jhanas, whereas for nirodha it talks about attainment, or trying to attain that samadhi. (5) paṭhamassa jhānassa (5) (for the) first jhāna, saddo kaṇṭako, noise (is a) thorn, (6) dutiyassa jhānassa (6) (for the) second jhāna, vitakka-vicārā kaṇṭakā, thought and evaluation (is a) thorn, (7) tatiyassa jhānassa (7) (for the) third jhāna, pīti kaṇṭako, Rapture (is a) thorn, (8) catutthassa jhānassa (8) (for the) fourth jhāna, assāsa-passāso kaṇṭako, In-(and)-out breathing (is a) thorn, (9) saññā-vedayita-nirodha- samāpattiyā (9) (for the process of attaining) perception-(and)-feelings'-cessation, saññā ca vedanā ca kaṇṭako perception and feeling (is a) thorn, (10) rāgo ...
AN 10.72 and KN Ud 3.3 smoking out the gophers, you can hear sounds in the four jhānas
February 16, 2023
KN Ud 3.3 Buddha and 500 monks in imperturbable samadhi can’t hear Ānanda talking to them KN Ud 3.3 if they could hear, buddha would have responded to Ānanda talking to him. ♦ tatiyampi kho āyasmā ānando abhikkantāya rattiyā, nikkhante pacchime yāme, uddhaste aruṇe, nandimukhiyā rattiyā uṭṭhāyāsanā ekaṃsaṃ uttarāsaṅgaṃ karitvā yena bhagavā tenañjaliṃ paṇāmetvā bhagavantaṃ etadavoca — “abhikkantā, bhante, ratti; nikkhanto pacchimo yāmo; uddhasto aruṇo; nandimukhī ratti; ciranisinnā āgantukā bhikkhū; paṭisammodatu, bhante, bhagavā, āgantukehi bhikkhūhī”ti. Then a third time, when the night was far advanced, at the end of the last watch, as dawn was approaching and the face of the night was beaming, Ven. Ānanda got up from his seat, arranged his robe over one shoulder, stood facing the Blessed One, paying homage to him with his hands placed palm-to-palm over his heart, and said to him, “The night, lord, is far advanced. The last watch has ended. Dawn is approaching and th...
AN 10.72 real example of loudest thunder I've ever heard
November 10, 2021
On what it means for sound to be thorn WHILE IN the 4 jhanas: https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=41782&p=653417#p653417 BrokenBones wrote: ↑ Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:01 pm ... If I'm wearing a simple coat and someone prods me with a stick it's a 'thorn'. If I'm wearing a super thick coat and they prod me then I'm still aware of it going on but it no longer bothers me. Entering first jhana and the early stages of settling into it is the simple coat... becoming established in first jhana is the super thick coat. That's exactly how it is. If people were serious meditators and had personal experience, they would come to a fascinating discovery that the suttas mean what they say, in plain simple terms. I once was in Asia meditating in a group in the large meditation hall. A loud thunderstorm snuck up on us, where you never knew it came, no sound of rain, no visual of lightning, the first moment we knew of the storm, was the loudest thunder I...
DN 21 hearing sounds in jhāna, samādhi, and paṭisallīnā
May 10, 2022
Links about jhāna from DN 21 DN 21 0 - (Sakka doesn’t want to disturb Buddha’s jhāna) DN 21 0.1 - (fire burning is also called ‘jhāna’) DN 21 0.2 - (Sakka convinces musician to pull Buddha out of jhāna retreat with poem) DN 21 2.0.1 - (Sakka visits Buddha but sees him in ‘samādhi’) DN 21 2.0.2 - (Lady requests vistors including Sakka to not disturb Buddha’s meditation) DN 21 2.0.3 - (sound of Sakka’s chariot pulls Buddha out of ‘samādhi’) DN 21 2.2.2 - (pīti and pamojja are the mental joy, 2nd jhāna is better than 1st jhāna) DN 21 2.2.4 - (could be referring to asubha here, 2n...
You can hear sounds in the four jhanas, AN 10.72, and is 'Theravada' an oxymoron?
March 31, 2021
• You can 👂 hear sounds in the 4 jhānas. : Which samādhis are silent? I did a comprehensive research on that article linked above, and AFAIK it contains every sutta and vinaya reference that sheds light on whether one can hear sounds in jhanas. I also include Ven. Thanissaro's excellent essay on the topic within that article. The conclusion of the study is that there is not a doubt in the EBT (early buddhist teachings), no ambiguity and absolutely unequivocal that one can hear sounds in the four jhanas. Re: Can We Hear Sound in Jhāna? Edit Delete Report Quote Post by frank k » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:51 am robertk wrote: ↑ Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:21 pm Dmytro wrote: There's an excellent article by Ven. Thanissaro Bhikkhu: Silence Isn’t Mandatory SENSORY PERCEPTION IN THE JHĀNAS http://www.dhammatalks.org/Archive/Writ ... datory.pdf to me it's anti-Theravada and conveniently ignores the areas of the Tipitaka that disagree with his beliefs What do...
Where are the gophers (cmy on DN 21, AN 10.72, etc.)? Simile explained.
March 07, 2023
regarding DN 21, MA 134, DA 14: Smoking out the chinese gophers, hearing sound in 4 jhānas, two agama parallels to DN 21 and AN 10.72 and KN Ud 3.3 smoking out the gophers, you can hear sounds in the four jhānas https://www.reddit.com/r/theravada/comments/11ifaio/comment/jb8zg66/?context=3 hedgehogsweater wrote: I read both posts and there were no gophers 😡😡😡 Frankk response: The gophers are just a simile I made up. Let me spell it out in detail. The Buddha planted a delicious, nutritious vegetable garden, meant for all humans. The syndicate of rogue gophers, dug deep holes all over the Buddha's garden. They stole all of the vegetables, dragged them down into their dark holes, ate and processed the vegetables and baked 'brownies'. Then the syndicate of rogue gophers peddled the brownies and sold them to humans, and advertised those brownies as 'the Buddha's vegetables' to the humans. True, the brownies they baked are derived from and contain the Buddha'...
another analogy for hearing sound in jhāna, like driving on autobahn at superspeed and someone driving at ordinary speed cuts in front of you
February 11, 2023
Re: Jhana Thorn Post by frank k » Sat Feb 11, 2023 5:04 am Have you ever been pricked by a thorn? It's a different sensation than for example brushing your hand against an unexpected object. It's a more accute, sharper sensation. You can hear sounds in all four jhānas. All 6 senses are operative in all four jhānas. That's what it means to be percipient of internal rūpa. (See 8 vimokkha, 8 abhibhayatana, etc.) AN 10.72 says that sound is a thorn in all 4 jhānas, not just the first one. https://lucid24.org/sted/8aam/8samadhi/sound/index.html The experience of sound in first jhāna is different than fourth jhāna. But even the experience of sound in any jhāna is going to vary depending on our physical condition, how charged up your jhāna battery is. For example, someone who has eaten a nutritious and balanced diet to capacity, is well rested, is much more resistant to stress and pressure than someone who is starving, sleep deprived, irritable. Jhāna is like you're on a 5 ...
truth, radical acceptance of truth, personal bias, objectivity, honesty, aligning with truth
May 12, 2022
Re: You can hear sounds in the four jhanas, AN 10.72, and is 'Theravada' an oxymoron? Report Quote Post by frank k » Thu May 12, 2022 3:19 am A. Bhikkhu wrote: ↑ Thu May 12, 2022 2:39 am ... I find it just not fair that you either deliberately or inadvertently don't grant that the commentaries provide in the very least an equally cogent account on how to understand jhāna. That indicates to me, that some bias remains with you that clouds seeing alternatives... Dear Bhante, You address a number of interesting points that merit their own discussion, perhaps at a later time, but I just want to address the most important one. I do have a bias, but one that doesn't work against me. I'm biased in wanting to follow Buddha Gotama's authentic instructions. Everything we have inherited from the ancient sanghas is hear say, unconfirmed. So I'm open to any new evidence and will change my mind instantly if evidence is compelling. Ultimately, it's not even B...
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