Sujato wrote:
https://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/snp-5-7-the-questions-of-upasiva/27299
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The Buddha urges him to contemplate “nothingness”, and, being mindful, to cross the flood relying on the meditation “there is nothing”. This makes explicit the reference to the dimension of nothingness, which has been hinted at previously. Mindfulness is of course a crucial ingredient of all states of samādhi.
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Frankk response
Sati ("mindfulness") and sampajāno (lucid discerning, right view, wisdom),are in fact so crucial the Buddha has those terms embedded explicitly in 3rd and 4th jhāna standard formula,
as well as all 7 attainments (MN 111).
So what exactly is sati doing in Sujato's understanding of 4 jhānas?
If the meditator is suppose to be in a disembodied frozen stupor,
what exactly are they "mindful" of?
And how is that a "crucial ingredient... to cross the flood [and realize enlightenment]" that Sujato claims above?
And what exactly is sampajāno doing in the meantime?
Sujato translates that term as "situational awareness".
Is the meditator aware of the situation of being in a frozen disembodied stupor?
According to Vism. and Ajahn Brahm, it's not possible to do that until after you emerge from your (corrupt redefined) jhāna.
If that's the case, then why does the Buddha embed the terms sati and sampajāno explicitly in the 3rd and 4th jhāna, and all 7 perception attainments, when you can't even do those things while in (their) jhāna?
Do they realize that their interpretation of jhāna, samādhi, sati make no sense?
Are they aware of that situation?
The Buddha's (real) Jhāna Samādhi
Undistractible (samādhi), lucid, imperturbable, patiently endures (khama) whatever assaults the 5 senses,
always remember and applies the appropriate Dharma for that moment (sati),
lucidly discerns (sampajāno) their origin, cessation, and the path to the end of all suffering;
while in the 4 jhānas and 7 perception attainments.
Real jhāna is not a disembodied frozen stupor you have to emerge from.
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