Skip to main content

The 4 jhānas have 7☀️ factors. Not 5.

synopsis


5 jhana factors is a Theravada conspiracy

- A conspiracy to redefine the 4 jhanas as a frozen samatha exercise devoid of vipassana capability.
If you search the EBT for references to 5 jhana factors, it only appears twice, and both times it's not the Buddha teaching them, it's Sariputta. Sariputta is usually involved when fabricating Abhidhamma origin stories, and LBT (late Buddhist texts).

Also a big clue 5 jhana factors is a late Theravada concoction, is the Vism. section (anyone provide citation and quote for this?) describing how the 5 jhana factors oppose 5 hindrances. It's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life. Even Theravadans of the blind faith persuasion find that teaching confusing and nonsensical.

citation from vism. found and explained here:

The four jhanas have 7 factors

upekkha, sati, and dhamma-vicaya, all have vipassana capability. That's why they're omitted from the Vism. 5 jhana factor paradigm.
V&V, S&S are part of sati and dhamma-vicaya.
viriya is equivalent to 4pd (samma padhana), and right effort.
viriya is an  important independent jhana factor not incuded in "5 jhana factors".


In samma samadhi, 4 jhanas of EBT, both samatha and vipassana is done while one is in jhana.
passaddhi/pacification is a cause and/or correlation to piti & sukha.
Sukha aint happening if you're not pacified/relaxed.

The definition of upekkha-sambojjhanga in SN 46.3 -real-bojjhanga-paritta is clearly doing vipassana. 

7sb as a causal sequence

✴️SN 46.3 -real-bojjhanga-paritta

SN 46.4 is a good example of 7sb being independent jhana factors




SN 46.2 another good sutta where 5niv and 7sb can be seen as independent factors while in 4 jhanas, and while trying to enter into them




20 meditation subjects where 7sb are 7 independent factors

Also in SN 46 bojjhanga collection, 20 meditation subjects where 7sb are 7 independent factors, no mention of 5 jhana factors at all.

There are 7 jhana factors, not 5. SN 54.2: 7sb☀️ together with 16APS🌬️😤



Comments

  1. NalakaSeptember 4, 2021 at 9:50 AM

    Thanks for preparing this post. It is a bit confusing to follow because of terms like 5NIV and the various icons; could you provide an index or link, perhaps on the right-hand toolbar?

    ReplyDelete

Post a Comment

Popular posts from this blog

Advice to younger meditators on jhāna, sex, porn, masturbation

Someone asked: Is porn considered harmful sexual.activity? I don't have a sex life because I don't have a partner and I don't wish to engage in casual sex so I use porn to quench the biological urge to orgasm. I can't see that's it's harmful because nobody is being forced into it. The actors are all paid well and claim to enjoy it etc. The only harm I can see is that it's so accessible these days on smart devices and so children may access it but I believe that this is the parents responsibility to not allow unsupervised use of devices etc. Views? Frankk response: In another thread, you asked about pleasant sensations and jhāna.  I'm guessing you're young, so here's some important advice you won't get from suttas   if you're serious about jhāna.  (since monastics are already celibate by rule)   If you want to attain stable and higher jhānas,   celibacy and noble silence to the best of your ability are the feedstock and prerequiste to tha
Post a Comment
Read more

SN 48.40 Ven. Thanissaro comments on Ven. Sunyo's analysis

This was Ven. Sunyo's analysis of SN 48.40: https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2024/05/exciting-news-honest-ebt-scholars-like.html And here is Ven. Thanissaro's response to that analysis: I think there’s a better way to tackle the issue of SN 48:40 than by appealing to the oldest layers of commentarial literature. That way is to point out that SN 48:40, as we have it, doesn’t pass the test in DN 16 for determining what’s genuine Dhamma and what’s not. There the standard is, not the authority of the person who’s claiming to report the Buddha’s teachings, but whether the teachings he’s reporting are actually in accordance with the principles of the Dhamma that you know. So the simple fact that those who have passed the Buddha’s teachings down to us say that a particular passage is what the Buddha actually taught is not sufficient grounds for accepting it. In the case of the jhānas—the point at issue here— we have to take as our guide the standard formula for the jhānas, a
Post a Comment
Read more

1min. video: Dalai Lama kissing boy and asking him to suck his tongue

To give more context, this is a public event,  * everyone knows cameras are rolling  *  it's a room full of children * the boy's mom is standing off camera a few feet away watching all of this * the boy initiated contact, he had already had a hug with Dalai Lama earlier and then asked Dalai Lama for another hug which triggered this segment  17 min. video showing what happened before that 1 min. clip and after, with some explanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT0qey5Ts78 16min talk from Ajahn Acalo with his thoughts on Dalai Lama kissing boy, relevance to Bhikkhu monastic code, sexual predators in religion in general, and how celibate monastics deal with sexual energy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2m0TcUib0 The child's comments about the incident in a filmed interview later https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/world-news/2023/04/18/643eba5d46163ffc078b457c.html The child: It's a great experience It was amazing to meet His Holiness and I think it's a great ex
Post a Comment
Read more