Skip to main content

google translate AI has a better understanding of jhāna than B. Sujato and Ajahn Brahm


From Vimutti magga in the Chinese agama, translated into English by google translate AI:

云何為禪?
What is Zen? (Zen = chinese transliteration of jhana)
思惟事故、思惟怨故、心喜樂故、離障解脫故、令平等故、方便發定故、得自在故、不以[1]一義住正受故、樂起定故。
Thinking of accidents, thinking of complaints, happy hearts, dissociation and liberation, making equality, making it easier to fix the problem, getting it freely, not living with one righteousness, accepting the failure, happy to determine the failure.


This is tragic and funny at the same time, that an AI translating (poorly) an abstruse Ancient Chinese language with technical terms unintelligible to modern literate Chinese, comes much closer to getting the Buddha's definition of Jhana correct than Ajahn Brahm and B. Sujato.  

Google correclty conveys that zen (jhana) is a active state of bliss where one can think, discern reality, make good decisions, rather than Ajahn brahm's jabrama jhana in a frozen state of stupor. 

Another important lesson from this, is that Google AI works by analyzing massive amounts of Chinese to English that people use in practice, arriving at a practical, pragmatic guess in the translation. Recall the Buddha, also had a goal of using plain language, pragmatic, describing meditation in a way all people of various fields and intellect could easily understand. He would not have described meditation using ambiguous loaded terms that would require Buddhaghosa and Ajahn Brahm to travel back in time to correct the monks and let them know that 'body = mind', 'up = down', 'stop = go', 'thinking = don't think', 'mental exploration (vicara) = keep the mind absolutely still, glued to nimitta'. 


also see:

vimt. gloss of 'vivicceva kamehi' is DESIRE for sensual pleasures, not "5 sensual pleasure objects"









Comments

Popular posts from this blog

Advice to younger meditators on jhāna, sex, porn, masturbation

Someone asked: Is porn considered harmful sexual.activity? I don't have a sex life because I don't have a partner and I don't wish to engage in casual sex so I use porn to quench the biological urge to orgasm. I can't see that's it's harmful because nobody is being forced into it. The actors are all paid well and claim to enjoy it etc. The only harm I can see is that it's so accessible these days on smart devices and so children may access it but I believe that this is the parents responsibility to not allow unsupervised use of devices etc. Views? Frankk response: In another thread, you asked about pleasant sensations and jhāna.  I'm guessing you're young, so here's some important advice you won't get from suttas   if you're serious about jhāna.  (since monastics are already celibate by rule)   If you want to attain stable and higher jhānas,   celibacy and noble silence to the best of your ability are the feedstock and prerequiste to tha

illustration of Buddha Gotoma where he looks like a human being

Illustration by Bhikkhu Vimalo from a BPS postcard wishing a happy vesak   More images where Buddha looks human: https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2021/02/where-are-buddha-images-and-statues.html Buddha and Arahant images that look like real humans

1min. video: Dalai Lama kissing boy and asking him to suck his tongue

To give more context, this is a public event,  * everyone knows cameras are rolling  *  it's a room full of children * the boy's mom is standing off camera a few feet away watching all of this * the boy initiated contact, he had already had a hug with Dalai Lama earlier and then asked Dalai Lama for another hug which triggered this segment  17 min. video showing what happened before that 1 min. clip and after, with some explanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT0qey5Ts78 16min talk from Ajahn Acalo with his thoughts on Dalai Lama kissing boy, relevance to Bhikkhu monastic code, sexual predators in religion in general, and how celibate monastics deal with sexual energy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2m0TcUib0 The child's comments about the incident in a filmed interview later https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/world-news/2023/04/18/643eba5d46163ffc078b457c.html The child: It's a great experience It was amazing to meet His Holiness and I think it's a great ex