meditation question: force and heat rumbling in the belly area. What to do about it?

Dealing with chi belly

Hi all. During the TMI sitting and walking meditation or contrast showers, my belly lives it’s own life – expanding as I am pregnant, compressing and pulsing, etc. It happens only during meditation and does not feel like physical bloating, gases, or visceral fat. Mantak Chia and few other schools teach it

Any tips on how to pass this stage? So far I have tried doing more horse stance, focusing on the soles or do the entire body breathing, circular rubbing and imagining chi ball in lower dantien shrinking, however, it is still massive but fades slowly after a few hours

P.S. Meditation sessions range from level 3 to 7 with plenty of twitches, purification, and occasional jhana glimpses

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You don't have to do anything special about it, it's natural for that to happen. Whenever you're deeply relaxed and the mind is calm, very little thoughts, forces and heat will accumulate in the body and try to pervade everywhere, every cell. All the energy moves in interconnected loops, and as long as there are blockages and suboptimal pathways you'll feel pressure build up in different ways and different areas of the body. It's common and normal phenomena. It's the same force and heat that drives the hydraulic feeling of the first two jhanas. The thing most people don't understand though, is that the force and heat building up is a valuable commodity. People who don't feel it most of the time is because they live a lifestyle where they dissipate more energy than they charge up (too much sex, partying, talking, thinking, intense emotions).

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